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---
Probe (2026-10-05T11:18:1xZ), the `fmt` package, both ConanCenter
hosts (the 2024 migration moved the canonical remote from
`center.conan.io` to `center2.conan.io`; this lane checked whether the
old host still answers rather than hard-failing or redirecting).

1. `GET https://center2.conan.io/v2/conans/search?q=fmt` (current host)
-> 200, `{"results": ["fmt/10.0.0@_/_", ..., "fmt/12.2.0@_/_"]}`,
**22** results, newest `fmt/12.2.0`.

2. `GET https://center.conan.io/v2/conans/search?q=fmt` (old,
pre-migration host, identical path and query) -> **also 200**,
`server: nginx/1.23.4` (an older nginx build than is typical on
actively-maintained edge infra — a small signal this host has had less
recent attention), `content-type: application/json`, **27** results —
but a direct Python set comparison of the two result lists shows only
partial overlap: center2-only versions are `11.1.1, 11.1.3, 11.1.4,
11.2.0, 12.0.0, 12.1.0, 12.2.0` (7 versions center.conan.io has never
heard of); center.conan.io-only versions are `6.0.0, 6.1.0, 6.1.1,
6.1.2, 6.2.0, 7.0.1, 7.0.2, 7.0.3, 7.1.0, 7.1.1, 7.1.2, 8.0.0` (12
versions absent from center2's answer). Both hosts are live, both return
HTTP 200 for the byte-identical query, and neither response contains any
field indicating staleness, deprecation, or which host is canonical.

3. `GET https://center2.conan.io/v2/conans/fmt/11.0.2/_/_/revisions` ->
200, a `revisions` array with dated entries, newest
`"time":"2026-08-03T10:56:04.249+0000"` — confirms center2 is the
actively-updated host (new recipe revisions keep landing on an existing
version), which makes center.conan.io's answer a frozen, silently
diverging snapshot rather than a passive read-through mirror of the same
backing store.

How observed: 2026-10-05T11:18:1xZ, three GETs via curl
(`--max-filesize 20000000 -m 20`), outputs in
`/private/tmp/nh-b34c/bodies/conan_search.json` (22 results),
`conan_old.json` (27 results, compared via Python `set()` diff —
7 center2-only, 12 center.conan.io-only), `conan_revisions.json`;
headers in `conan_old_headers2.txt`.

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