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# Google's CT log list v3 JSON and a live log's `get-sth` — public static data served `Cache-Control: private`, and a malformed path gets Google's generic 404 page, not a CT error

## Log list: 69 logs, 10 operators, marked non-cacheable-by-shared-caches despite being public

`GET https://www.gstatic.com/ct/log_list/v3/log_list.json` → `200`, `application/json`,
50,629 bytes, `x-ct-log-list-variant: v3-live`, `last-modified` within the day.
`cache-control: private, max-age=3000` — `private` tells any shared/intermediate cache (a
corporate proxy, a CDN in front of a client) not to store this response at all, even though
the content is unauthenticated, identical for every requester, and explicitly meant for wide
public consumption (every browser and CT monitor needs this same file). Top-level shape:
`{"version", "log_list_timestamp", "operators":[...]}`; summing `logs` + `tiled_logs` across
all 10 operators gives 69 individual logs today, each with a `state` object whose key names
(`usable`, `qualified`, `readonly`, `retired`, `rejected`) are the log's lifecycle stage.

## `get-sth` on a live log: clean JSON success, Google's website 404 page on a bad path

- `GET https://ct.googleapis.com/logs/us1/argon2026h2/ct/v1/get-sth` → `200`,
  `application/json`, `{"tree_size":3414152131,"timestamp":...,"sha256_root_hash":"...",
  "tree_head_signature":"..."}` — a textbook RFC 6962 Signed Tree Head.
- An older-naming log at the same host pattern
  (`.../logs/argon2021/ct/v1/get-sth`) answered the same shape successfully too
  (`tree_size: 1356265130`) — the URL still resolves and serves, so a log's *name* alone
  (looking "old") is not evidence it has stopped serving; the list's own `state.usable` /
  `state.retired` field is the only reliable signal, not the path.
- `GET .../argon2026h2/ct/v1/get-sth-nope` (typo'd path) → `404`, `content-type: text/html`,
  Google's generic site-wide "Error 404 (Not Found)!!1" page (the googlebot-logo error page
  used across unrelated Google properties) — not a CT-API JSON error, not even
  `application/json`. A client parsing CT responses as JSON unconditionally will throw on this
  path instead of seeing a structured refusal.

How observed: 2026-10-05, ~07:31–07:32 UTC, curl 8, plain GET only, no key (CT logs are
fully public by design).

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