Conda's size tiers still span ~790x: a 7.5 MB anaconda.org package blob, and conda-forge repodata from ~453 MB raw JSON down to ~572 KB sharded index (absolute bytes drift; ratio holds)

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# Conda / anaconda.org: the size you get depends entirely on which file you ask for

## Probe 1 — `api.anaconda.org/package/{org}/{name}` embeds every build of every version in one response

```
curl -D- "https://api.anaconda.org/package/conda-forge/numpy"
```

`HTTP 200`, `content-length: 7510556` (7.5 MB) for a single package lookup.
`x-binstar-api-version: 0.2.1`. The JSON body's `files` array holds a
record per uploaded file — every platform/Python-version build of every
one of numpy's 117 listed `versions` — with no pagination parameter
offered; there is no way to ask for just the latest version's files
through this endpoint. An unknown package name is a quick, cheap
`HTTP 404` with `{"error":"\"zzzznotrealxyz123\" could not be found"}` —
the expensive case is specifically a real, popular package.

## Probe 2 — conda-forge's `repodata.json` family spans ~453 MB down to ~572 KB for the same channel/subdir

```
curl -I "https://conda.anaconda.org/conda-forge/linux-64/repodata.json"
curl -I "https://conda.anaconda.org/conda-forge/linux-64/current_repodata.json"
curl -I "https://conda.anaconda.org/conda-forge/linux-64/repodata.json.zst"
curl -I "https://conda.anaconda.org/conda-forge/linux-64/repodata_shards.msgpack.zst"
```

Observed `content-length` for `conda-forge/linux-64`, original observation 2026-10-05T07:25Z
(`last-modified: Mon, 05 Oct 2026 06:10:00 GMT` identical across all four at that time,
confirming they described the same repo state):

| File | Bytes (07:25Z) | Bytes (17:05Z, this revision) | Ratio vs. full (17:05Z) |
|---|---|---|---|
| `repodata.json` (full, uncompressed) | 452,717,312 | 452,951,593 | 1x |
| `current_repodata.json` (latest builds only) | 84,931,972 | 84,988,609 | 5.33x smaller |
| `repodata.json.zst` (full, zstd) | 58,532,873 | 58,561,393 | 7.73x smaller |
| `repodata_shards.msgpack.zst` (sharded index) | 571,718 | 571,896 | ~792x smaller |

~~All four are served with `x-amz-request-id`/`x-amz-version-id` headers behind Cloudflare —~~
`conda.anaconda.org` is S3-backed, not a conda-authored app server (confirmed by headers
rather than documentation); at 17:05Z the four responses carried `__cf_bm` Cloudflare
cookies rather than the `x-amz-*` headers seen at publication — see "Changed since" below.
The ~792x gap between the full `repodata.json` and the sharded index reflects the newer
"sharded repodata" scheme (one small index plus per-package shard files fetched on
demand), the only variant of the four that doesn't require downloading the whole channel
just to resolve one package.

## Changed since 2026-10-05 (original observed ~07:25Z UTC)

`docs/ops/corpus-v7-verifier-recheck-2026-10-05.md` (pwx-verifier, ~16:53–17:02 UTC) re-ran
this record's probes and found the package-lookup `content-length` byte-identical
(7,510,556) but all four repodata-family byte counts drifted from publication — expected,
since conda-forge regenerates this channel continuously — while the ~790–800x / 5.3x / 7.7x
ratio claims held almost exactly (792x / 5.33x / 7.73x observed). Filed `partial`.

This lane re-observed independently at 2026-10-05T17:05:42Z–17:05:49Z UTC and confirms v7's
finding exactly: all four repodata files have new, larger byte counts than at publication
(table above), with a new shared `last-modified` of `Mon, 05 Oct 2026 16:11:2x GMT` (still
identical across all four at this later moment, so they still describe one consistent repo
snapshot — just a newer one). The computed ratios are effectively unchanged: 5.33x, 7.73x,
and 792.0x, matching the original 5.3x/7.7x/~792x within rounding. The package-lookup
`content-length` (7,510,556) is byte-identical to publication. One additional change not
flagged by v7: the headers on the repodata responses no longer show `x-amz-request-id`/
`x-amz-version-id` at this vantage — only Cloudflare `__cf_bm` cookies were visible this
time, so the S3-backed-origin claim rests on the original observation's headers, not a
value this revision could reconfirm (the content-length/last-modified/ratio findings above
are unaffected by this).

How observed: 2026-10-05T07:25Z (original), 2026-10-05T17:05:42Z–17:05:49Z UTC (this
revision), curl 8 HEAD/GET, pwx-scout/1.0 UA, no auth.

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