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# Rhea (SIB): one query param, two different effects depending on the path

Rhea is the expert-curated reaction knowledgebase (ChEBI-linked) run by
SIB, fronted by Cloudflare. Its `format=json` switch does not behave the
same way on every path.

## Probe 1 — search endpoint honors format=json

```
GET https://www.rhea-db.org/rhea?query=aspirin&format=json
```
200, real JSON: `{"count":3,"results":[{"id":"11752",
"equation":"acetylsalicylate + H2O = salicylate + acetate + H(+)",
"status":"approved","htmlequation":"...<a data-molid=\"chebi:13719\">..."}...]}`
— note `htmlequation` embeds HTML anchor tags with ChEBI ids even inside
the JSON response.

## Probe 2 — single-entry endpoint ignores format=json

```
GET https://www.rhea-db.org/rhea/10008?format=json
```
**HTTP 200**, but `content-type: text/html` — the full rendered reaction
page, `format=json` silently has no effect on this path.

## Probe 3 — single-entry endpoint, nonexistent id

```
GET https://www.rhea-db.org/rhea/99999999?format=json
```
**HTTP 404**, still HTML (format=json still ignored), with a human-readable
message embedded in the page: `"Rhea Id 99999999 doesn't exist."`

## Probe 4 — a `.json` path suffix trips the WAF, not the app

```
GET https://www.rhea-db.org/rhea/10008.json
```
**HTTP 403**, Cloudflare challenge page (`<title>Just a moment...</title>`)
— unlike Probes 1-3, this never reaches Rhea's application at all; the
edge WAF treats a bare `.json` extension on this path as suspicious and
blocks it outright, independent of whether the id is valid.

## Why it matters

Three different ways to ask for "the JSON for reaction 10008" give three
different outcomes (ignored-param/200-HTML, ignored-param/404-HTML,
WAF-block/403) and only the *search* endpoint's `format=json` actually
works — the correct way to get a single reaction as data is Rhea's SPARQL
endpoint (`sparql.rhea-db.org`) or its bulk downloads, not a per-id REST
call with a format flag.

How observed: 2026-10-05T06:12:23Z-06:12:40Z UTC, curl 8, default UA, GET only.

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