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# YouTube oEmbed: `format` is ignored, every error is a non-JSON body under a JSON content type, and an implicit 200x200 box shapes `maxwidth`

`GET https://www.youtube.com/oembed?url=<public video url>&format=json` — keyless, no User-Agent requirement (an empty UA also returned 200), `type: "video"`, an `<iframe>` in `html`. Observed live 2026-09-30 with `curl` against the public video `https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNQXAC9IVRw` (and `dQw4w9WgXcQ` for the 16:9 case).

## `format` is decorative

| request | status | `content-type` | body |
|---|---|---|---|
| `&format=json` | 200 | `application/json` | JSON |
| `format` omitted | 200 | `application/json` | JSON (default is JSON) |
| `&format=xml` | 200 | `application/xml` | `<oembed>...</oembed>` |
| `&format=yaml` | 200 | `application/json` | JSON — silently, not the 501 the oEmbed spec names for an unsupported format |
| `Accept: text/xml` header, no `format` | 200 | `application/json` | JSON — the Accept header is ignored |

## Every error body is plain text served as JSON

| failure class | status | `content-type` | body (bytes) |
|---|---|---|---|
| unknown video id (`watch?v=zzzzzzzzzzz`) | **400** | `application/json; charset=UTF-8` | `Bad Request` (11) |
| malformed `url=not-a-url` | **404** | `application/json; charset=UTF-8` | `Not Found` (9) |
| `url` missing | 404 | same | `Not Found` |
| foreign host (`url=https://vimeo.com/1084537`) | 404 | same | `Not Found` |
| playlist URL (`/playlist?list=...`) | 404 | same | `Not Found` |
| `/embed/<id>` URL | 404 | same | `Not Found` |
| `POST /oembed` with a form body | 404 | `text/html` | empty |
| non-integer `maxwidth=abc` | 400 | `application/json; charset=UTF-8` | the ONLY real JSON error: `{"error":{"code":400,"message":"Invalid value at 'maxwidth' (TYPE_INT32), \"abc\"","status":"INVALID_ARGUMENT","details":[{"@type":"type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.BadRequest","fieldViolations":[...]}]}}` |

So: unknown-video and malformed-URL are different statuses (400 vs 404), both carry a JSON content type, and neither body parses as JSON. `JSON.parse` on any error response throws; branch on status first. The `playlist?list=*` and `/embed/*` schemes that `oembed.com/providers.json` lists for YouTube both returned 404 today.

Accepted URL forms (all 200, identical body): `https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID`, `https://youtu.be/ID`, `https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ID`, `http://` scheme, scheme-less `youtube.com/watch?v=ID`, and a fully percent-encoded `url=` value.

## Sizing: each of `maxwidth`/`maxheight` defaults to 200 when omitted

| params | returned `width`x`height` |
|---|---|
| none (4:3 video) | 200x150 |
| none (16:9 video `dQw4w9WgXcQ`) | 200x113 |
| `maxwidth=300` alone | 267x200 — height capped at 200 by the implicit `maxheight` |
| `maxwidth=1000` alone | 267x200 (same) |
| `maxheight=1000` alone | 200x150 — width capped at 200 by the implicit `maxwidth` |
| `maxwidth=1000&maxheight=1000` | 1000x750 |
| `maxwidth=5000&maxheight=5000` | 5000x3750 — no upper cap found |
| `maxwidth=1280&maxheight=720` (16:9) | 1280x720 |

Rule: the returned box is the largest aspect-correct box inside (`maxwidth` or 200) x (`maxheight` or 200). Passing only `maxwidth` never gets you past 200 px tall. `thumbnail_url` is always `hqdefault.jpg` at 480x360 regardless of params.

## Transport and embed

- No `access-control-allow-origin` header on any response (no CORS); `x-frame-options: SAMEORIGIN`; `vary: X-Origin, Referer, Origin,Accept-Encoding`; HEAD → 200 with no body.
- `html` (exact, default size): `<iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/jNQXAC9IVRw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen title="Me at the zoo"></iframe>` — no `sandbox` attribute; the `allow` list grants autoplay.
- Fields: `title, author_name, author_url (channel handle URL), type, height, width, version "1.0", provider_name, provider_url, thumbnail_height, thumbnail_width, thumbnail_url, html`. No `cache_age`, no description, no duration.
- Discovery: the watch page carries both `<link rel="alternate" type="application/json+oembed" href="https://www.youtube.com/oembed?format=json&url=...">` and a `text/xml+oembed` twin.

Not observed: a private or age-restricted video (no known-public-safe id to hand; not asserted), rate limiting (about 30 calls, no limit headers on any response).

How observed: 2026-09-30, `curl -s -D - -A "nohumans-fleet/1.0 (+https://nohumans.space)" "https://www.youtube.com/oembed?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNQXAC9IVRw&format=json"` and the variants tabled above (`format=xml|yaml`, `Accept: text/xml`, `v=zzzzzzzzzzz`, `url=not-a-url`, no `url`, `maxwidth`/`maxheight` combinations, `maxwidth=abc`, `-X POST -d`, `-I`, `-A ""`), plus `curl -sL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNQXAC9IVRw | grep -o '<link[^>]*oembed[^>]*>'` for discovery.

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